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Scrub Road Extension

• There is a plan to build a road extension which connects the existing Scrub Road to Wecker Road.
• It is going to be constructed through bushland that is owned by the Citipointe Church.
• It is estimated that it will bring approximately 1300 cars a day past schools on Ham Road.
• Councillor Kerry Rea believes the project needs more community consultation.
• Councillor Adrian Schrinner says the project provides a vital link between Mansfield and Carindale.
• A community forum on this issue was held on Tuesday 18 September 2007, at Club Pacific, Carindale.
• Displays of the Scrub Road Extension proposal will be held at Pacific Golf Club, 23 & 25 October 7-9pm and Mount Gravatt Plaza 27 October 10am-4pm
• Scrub Rd Extension gets green light (29/01/08) Read full announcement
• $100,000 for safety improvements at Scrub/Cribb Road roundabout(10/03/08) Read full announcement

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Community Forum Presentation (PDF)
Map of Scrub Rd Extension (PDF)
Scrub Rd Update & Survey - Sept (PDF)

17/03/08

I was at that forum as well, and I couldnt agree more with you gerard. The local councillor that has been returned to his throne, will sit there and not listen to the community about our concerns regarding scrub road. There are many concerns that have still yet to be answered regarding this road. I just wish that the councillor would answer my questions that I asked him at the forum instead of telling me what party I belong to and who I am going to vote for. Well councillor, that is my business. The road is going ahead,but there issues such as speeding,hooning,children and adults crossing the road that has no crossings on it. If people would like to sit on my back pool deck and see the amount of speeding,and people on mobile phones, and others breaking the law I would love to invite you around to see it for yourselves. Then you might see what we are talking about having issues.
paul gair (Postcode: 4152)

13/03/08

Ryan, Just as I responded to Sara a number of postings below I will respond to your posting so you might have some understanding of where things are at. Firstly, regardless of the survey process and low numbers of actual votes received out of some 10 thousand residents agreeing to this the road is signed, sealed and delivered to you....with a bow on it. So you should have no level of concern as any ongoing debate is holding nothing up. As I understand it all that is being waited on now is sign off on final funding triggering when it will commence. That is simply in the hands of council so ask your local councillor. I am sure you know him well. So you can lay back on the lounge now and let the rest of us deal with the concerns that continue to exist. Those who have and continue to have concerns about the road in terms of lifestyle, traffic, speeding, hooning and pedestrian access/safety still have those concerns. For example the recently apprehended person caught doing well in excess of 120kph on Scrub Rd whilst being well over the legal limit for alcohol. Police sources reveal many other example from the limited policing that does happen on Scrub Rd. Those who opposed the road only opposed it as it was simply presented as a take it or leave it proposition where the "majority" would be used to bludgeon the rest into silence.....which hasn't happened. The fact that finally there was a structured approach and some form of consultation to see this issue come to a conclusion is down to pressure being applied over the last twelve months to make it happen......whether you are fore or against. Not a bad result at a high level given a number of people including our elected representatives over many years...some ten in fact have not been able to see this resolved either way until recently. Based on the voting outcomes 31% of the community have concerns.....that doesnt simply represent a lunatic fringe but real people, with families and with concerns. Perhaps if those who want the road took some time to understand and empathise with other residents resistence to date would have been a lot less. Be assured that residents concerns will continue to be voiced until addressed so we can all enjoy Carindale....now and into the future. We have been continually let down by the lack of any real master planning for the area and this continues to be the case where we lurch from one debate to the next in the absence of any true vision and transparency for area.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode: 4152)

12/03/08

After attending a community forum, advertised in the South East Advertiser and organised by Peter Lovegrove, Labor candidate for Chandler. I would like to express my complete admiration for Adrian Schrinner and his doggard determination to push through the Scrub Road extension. I was amazed how people who have been opposed to this connection to Wecker Rd from the start have been labeled as NIMBY's. But councilor Schrinner made me realise that he and the people fighting for this road are the real NIMBY's. What other conclusion can I come up with when councilor Schrinner himself tells you he isn't interested in what you have to say if you don't live in his ward. Not once but twice I was infrormed that my input was not wanted at this public forum. Perhaps he didnt like that I had an idea that would appease most of the residents involved is this long running dispute, an idea that might actually work. Of course funnelling the traffic from the south eas! t corner of Carindale over the Gate Way Motorway, just like Meadowlands Rd in Carina, might not appeal as it keeps the problem in the ward of Chandler rather than pushing it into the northern boundary of Wishart Ward. So once again congratulation Cr Schrinner, your single mindedness will ensure a result that pleases 2 loby groups and few residents, but you "can do" it. Just a quick note Cr Schrinner. When can we expect to know if the traffic modelling done by council in 2006 actually took into account the new Carindale developments and the new council pool being built at the corner of Wecker and Newnham Roads. Will this information you promised to enquire about be available before or after the road is built??
Gerard Lazarus (Postcode: 4122)

10/03/08
The time for consultation is well and truly over. The community has overwhelmingly supported the Scrub Rd extension and quite frankly I am incensed that progress is being delayed by hamfisted NIMBY's. Every day that this road is not built is another day that South Carindale remain landlocked. Mr. Crawford, your side had their vote, and they lost. It's time for you to accept that, move on and allow this project to bring relief to the thousands of residents who suffer an infernal commute on a daily basis.
Ryan Murphy (Postcode: 4152)

06/03/08
Dear Residents, I am concerned about the situation regarding the tree but am unaware of any mishandling of the application. In fact, I am told that this application has taken almost a year too long to approve because of the back and forth between the developer and council over trivial matters that should have been easy to resolve. In response to Lindy's post all I can say is that this is a question that should be posed to your current representatives in council. They should be able to provide comprehensive answers to residents questions on this matter. They would have access to all relevant documentation including the arborist's reports from both parties. There shouldn't need to be an inquiry into this matter- all it requires is for Cr Schrinner to provide residents with access to the facts at hand. Sunday's forum will mainly deal with the concerns of residents over the Scrub Rd extension but I am sure many people would like to discuss other issues relating to their neighbourhood. By the way, the forum will take place in the "Village Green" -just off Amersham Cresent from 10-11am. Don't forget that if you cant make it on Sunday that I would be most pleased to receive your submissions via email. (Peter.Lovegrove@gregrowell.com.au) Regards Peter Lovegrove - Labor Candidate for Chandler Ward.
Peter Lovegrove (Postcode: 4152)

05/03/08

Peter, you will be holding your community forum virtually at the spot where the 100 year old Moreton Bay Fig was destroyed last Friday. I'd like some answers regarding the permit that was issued before the Court Case had been finalised. If I attend this forum will you offer some time for clarification & transparency about the useless destruction of the tree? - political sabotage? Developer Donation? or just a bureaucrat bungle - Can you dispell the rumours - and if this is not possible will you organise a petition(on the day) for residents to sign who want to know the truth about why this tree was cut down? You have just thanked the residents who have given you frank & honest comments about Scrub Road - please recipricate regarding the Fig Tree.
Lindy W (Postcode: 4152)

04/03/08
I note that the Labor candidate has raised some questions which may be of interest to local residents. Answers to all of these questions are readily available and I encourage anyone who is interested in finding out the status of these issues to email me at: chandler.ward@ecn.net.au
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode: 4152)

04/03/08

Dear Residents, Let me start by saying thank you to those whom I have met and have offered their frank and honest comments on the Scrub Rd Extension Project. The important thing to note is that people need to have the opportunity for input into projects like this that will affect their community. My belief is that true consultation is where all stakeholders (or representatives) in the project are able to sit down and discuss the issues and concerns that are important to them in making the project a success. While most people agree that Scrub Rd needs to be extended many have legitimate concerns over the final form of the project and how it will impact on them in the future. The big picture for many people is that the whole of Scrub Rd and surrounding suburbs need to be looked at. People are saying that Scrub Rd is an ongoing joke. Some of the concerns put to me are: Will footpaths, bikepaths and bike lanes finally be connected? Will consistent curbing and channelling run the length of the road? Will adequate lighting be included to make the neighbourhoods safe at night? Will security cameras or other preventative security measures be installed to assist in reducing crime? Will bus bays be created and bus stops upgraded to cope with patronage along Scrub Rd? Will crossings be place at appropriate places to allow school aged children and commuters to cross the roads safely? Will traffic calming be placed along the road to slow speeding drivers and hoons? Will entries to the estates be modified to make it safer for residents to enter/ exit from Scrub Rd? Will traffic lights be installed at Pine Mountain/ Scrub Rd/ Greendale Way intersection? I encourage anyone who would like to contribute their ideas and concerns to join me at a community forum this Sunday 9 March from 10am just off Scrub Rd in Greendale Way. I will collate all residents submissions and present them to council at the earliest opportunity. If you are unable to attend please send your contributions to peter.lovegrove@gregrowell.com.au or post to PO Box 267, Carina, 4152. I look forward to supporting the community with this initiative. Regards Peter Lovegrove- Labor Candidate for Chandler
Peter Lovegrove (Postcode 4152)

04/03/08

If local government was about communities why does it create situations where this turns into a pure numbers fore and against situation. Coalitions of the willing formed by vested interests.That is the infantile position taken thus far which only served to drag this out in lieu of any meaningful discussion up until the recent forum and that only happened off the back of pressure being applied to see some form of structure being applied to the process. If 200ish residents from the survey had concerns that is still a significant number of people that are basically cast aside. A survey outcome of 670ish people simply demonstrates an anomoly based on a strong lobby at the southern end of this road. The no vote was and still is championing for their concerns...speed, safety, footpaths and crossing infrastrucutre given these issues still exist as does the concern about current and future traffic volumes. But that wouldn't concern the yes crowd as they have their road at any expense. The road has been approved by Civic Cabinet so this isnt going to stop the road and is still all about addressing the substantial concerns of thirty one percent of residents who replied if we are to use the "survey" results. Perhaps as long as 50% or more of voters are satisfied then the substantial concerns of other residents mean nothing.....which is a poor state of affairs. So whine if you like but it doesnt address a single concern. You have your road.....the rest still have their concerns.....not too hard for any reasonable person to understand. This is not about beating a drum but about standing up for what you believe in and putting your full name to it publicly....not everyones cup of tea. Each side has its vocal proponents of which you and a few others are on your side. The road is signed,sealed and delivered with a bow on it so why would anyone now have concern if people still wanted to address issues such as safety, speed, hooning and the like?
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

04/03/08

I bumped into Adrian and had an opportunity to chat. He has informed me that changes will be made to the roundabout at Cribb Rd to narrow it to a two lane rounabout which is good news as it will force the hoons to slow down given countless residents stories of near misses. Perhaps some creative islands leading up to this roundabout might also force people to wash off some speed before the roundabout. Regarding the hooning and excessive speed on Scrub Rd and other streets residents are urged to continue to contact the police to lobby for greater night time and early morning patrols. So one step forward in the overall journey but a good step nonetheless.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode: 4152)

04/03/08

It really is sad to see the same few people beating their own drum when the rest of the community has moved on. For the opponents of the project, no amout of consultation will ever be enough. Quite simply, they won't be happy until they get their own way. Thankfully, local government is not about individuals or self interest, it's about communities. It's also about numbers and on this occasion, the opponents of the Scrub Road Extension are clearly out-numbered. The debate is well and truly over, for goodness sake let's get on with it.
Sara (Postcode: 4152)

03/03/08

The fact remains that 670 is people do not represent the majority of residents nor what the alledged silent majority want. Most simply think that they won't be heard, and can't beat city hall. This vote simply represents clever organisation and one major lobby group who want this. It is disappointing to realise that there was no real debate over the road when resubmitted to civic cabinet and it was a tick and flick and move on exercise. This just goes to show that politicians of all persuasions continue to make the right noises on such projects to keep residents sort of happy with no real intent intended. I think most of us who have concern about this road have accepted the direction of things but remain bewildered and dissappointed in the lack of attention anyone from the council has given to traffic calming, speeding, noise, crossings or additional footpath improvements. Wasn't that the point of consultation or was it more going through the motions as a take it or leave it exercise. Complaints are made to the police regularly about some of the aforementioned issues and from time to time we get some inforcement. I stopped drunken youths from yet again damaging the bus shelter on scrub rd behind my house. We have stated for some time that council must consider and act on scrub rd as a complete end to end project not selective discussion about selective bits when the condition of the road in many aspects is dangerous.Suggestions were made at the forum night but council has made no concessions or modifications to its plans. The council continues to say that the developer of the upcoming shops will pay for crossings etc but that is only between cribb and pine mntn. What about further north on Scrub Rd. So whilst our councillor understands and in fact agrees with many of these issues there is no show of good faith without any committments in actions. So if anyone from any party is proposing to listen to the community about doing the road but making improvements to make the whole thing more palatable then there will be many interested in hearing what he has to say. In the two horse race that has become Chandler Ward we are not spoilt for choice and there seems a general lack of effort made by the incumbent to listen whilst he feels it is a safe seat.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode: 4152)

03/03/08

It seems that the Labor Candidate for Chandler is unaware that his colleagues in Civic Cabinet recently voted unanimously to approve the construction of the Scrub Road Extension. In fact, despite raising concerns in the past, Labor councillors didn't even bother to debate the isssue when it came to giving final approval. The reality is that this project has already been the subject of extensive consultation, including numerous public meetings, forums and a community survey. While there are no doubt some people who still have concerns about the project, the vast majority of residents clearly want us to get on with the job of building it. After many years of uncertainly, it is great that this project finally has bi-partisan support in Council. Additional consultation will only tell us what we already know - the community wants this project constructed.
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode: 4152)

24/02/08
Hello Residents, I am pleased to see a forum like this one for the people in their local area to voice their ideas and concerns about things that matter to them. It is plain to see that even though consultation has occurred with residents not enough opportunity has been given to address people's concerns about the Proposed Scrub Rd Extension. I have been out listening to residents and it seems to me that people would like a forum so that there voices can be heard. I will be in touch soon to offer residents the opportunity to put forward their thoughts and ideas on making this project the success it should be. Peter Lovegrove - Labor Candidate for Chandler  email: peter.lovegrove@gregrowell.com.au

19/02/08
I would very much like to see the extension go through. As a resident of the area (My family live in Aspen street) I find that the current situation is inadequite for the following reasons. 1/ If you are travelling south you must head north into Scrub Road and join Old Cleveland Rd in order to take the Gateway motorway south. This is a huge waste of time (an extra 15mins in peak) and money. 2/I drive through COC school every week day to drop of our daughter who attend's COC school. I can tell you from experience there is already trafic going through the school that in no way belongs to school activities. This traffic is passing through a school not past it. Please consider the risk of traffic passing through a school being greater than traffic going past. An honest assesment will show that on week days even commercial vechiles are passing through the school. The Scrub Rd extension must go ahead immediately in order to allieviate this. As for increased traffic volume, please! This area of Carindale has grown and still there are more houses being built. We must have the roads to service this community. At present it takes too long for emergency services to get to us. Noise issues are nonsense seeming we already have noise spillage from the gateway motorway. The fact is that traffic is that traffic is already passing south through COC school grounds. Concerns about increased traffic through Mansfield could be allieviated if Council and Main Roads went all the way and connected Wecker with the Gateway motorway. Then trucks would not have to pass by schools in Mansfield at all.
Andrew (Postcode: 4152)

29/01/08

Scrub Rd Extension gets green light - read full story

29/10/07
Reminder: This Wednesday, 31 October, is the final cut-off date for the Community Survey that will help to determine the future of the proposed Scrub Road to Wecker Road Extension. Don’t miss this last chance to have your say! Please remember that the project will only happen with the support of the community, so if you haven’t already returned your survey, I urge you to do it now. The survey can be downloaded from this site and posted reply paid or faxed to: 3367 1609.
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode 4152)

13/09/07
I'm more concerned about the bottlenecks in the area that will only worsen if the extension is built. I travel north on Newnham Road to turn right at Creek Road, and always get stuck behind right hand turners at Wecker Road (there is no slip lane for turning right). This will have to get busier as cars will turn here to get to the extension. At the other end, there is a huge bottleneck in the afternoon for cars turning right into Old Cleveland Road from Scrub Road (near the school and KFC). I've seen cars avoid the right hand turn queue by going straight across Old Cleveland, and then cutting through the KFC carpark, and then back onto Old Cleveland! Again, this intersection can only get worse if the extension is built. Are there any plans to look at these intersections BEFORE the extension is built?
Richard (Postcode 4152)

12/09/07
Interesting banter.....I live on Scrub Rd and I did all the searches. Yes Ian which version of this extension are we referring to. Is M Williams indicating that opening up this road will see more traffic or that it will be four lanes as our illustrious councillor is telling us otherwise. Apparently the councils publicly unseen traffic modelling says that thousands less cars a day will go past Belmont School.....so where are they going to go? Out the southern end of the road. I wouldn't like to live in Mansfield if that is the case....... It is interesting that M Williams raises Buyer Beware. Equally M Williams must have bought a home when there was no connection road and funny enough some decade later there is still no connection road. Some would argue that those who bought a house expecting the road knew that it was proposed and not guaranteed and that remains the case today. So perhaps Buyer Be Aware might be more appropriate.
Heather (Postcode 4152)

10/09/07
steve afraid I recieved nothing in the mail, we will find out on tuesday 18th if I'm right about the numbers who attend, I do hope the result of a community survey, is counted by independant umpire chosen by both sides of the argument, not one chosen on us by can do and his sidekicks. I also see there is to be lights at the bottom of pine mountain road to stop the congestion, having lived in the area for 5 years I can honestly say I have never at anytime on any given day ever had a problem from any direction getting through this roundabout, this announcment alone should tell us that council are getting the roads ready for an increase in traffic from both directions, even though cllr Schrinner keeps telling us it will be less we are being lied to about the reason for these roads. for M Williams' reference when we bought in this area WE DID DO the proper searches and were told the scrub road extension was shelved and there was nothing in the refrdex(2002) to suggest it was to be extended, what was in the refedex(2002) was a future extension from cowell st to the new estate in mansfield which connected to wecker road.
Ian (Postcode 4152)

10/09/07
Here’s a revolutionary concept for readers... Maybe you should have done what all responsible homebuyers do and check the Council and State Government plans for the area before moving into the area. Most long-term residents in Carindale have known about the Scrub Road extension and Greendale Way for more than a decade. We are not talking some kind of secret plan that has been cooked up just recently. If you purchased a house on or near Scrub Road, there is no doubt that you would have got a better deal than if you had bought the same house on a quite street. Come on ‘folks’, if you buy a house near a busy road, don’t be surprised if it is upgraded one day. It’s a classic case of buyer beware! This simple but crucial fact seems to have been conveniently ignored in this debate.
M. Williams (Postcode 4152)

6/09/07
Folks, if you live in Carindale and have been battling to get onto Pine Mountain road in the mornings, well once all these inter suburb connections ( incl Scrub Road ext and Greendale ext) its going to be a nightmare. So who really beneifts with having these roads, will it be all the traffic out of the MT Gravatt industrial area or the folk from the various suburbs surrounding Carindale or the residents of Carindale ? If these roads are going to go ahead and we are going have this heavy flow of traffic, what is the council going to do to stop trucks and racers travelling through what used to be a very nice, quite suburb - Come on peole of Carindale, lets attend the Community Forum on Tuesday 18 September 2007, 7pm at Club Pacific, Pine Mountain Rd, Carindale and make a stand.
Kevin (Postcode 4152)

6/09/07
Ian, I must politely disagree with you. It is both unfair and ridiculous to assume that residents will be too tired or busy to attend the forum! You can be sure that anyone who really wants to be there will make it their top priority. Having said this, I think you have missed the whole point of what the council is trying to do. If you took the time to read the information all residents have been sent in the past, you would realise that a community survey is going to be sent across Carindale and Mansfield. This is what is going to give people a chance to have a say, not the forum!
Steve (Postcode 4152)

4/09/07
If cllr schrinner is serious about finding out if carindale residents are for or against this road why are we having the discussion on a tuesday night in the middle of the working week when most people are too tired or busy with other commitments to attend, is this another scheme to keep the true opinion muffled, lets face it this road is going through whether we want it or not, why not set a kiosk up in carindale shopping centre on a weekend when most of the residents who live here are going to be in there at some point, then we could get a vote (with ID of their address ofcourse) while this is not the perfect solution either, I think this would give more residents a vote than the 100 or so that would turn up at a public meeting, afterall the last meeting at oakley park the majority voted against it as have the vast majority on this forum, looks like cllr schrinner won't take no for an answer.
Ian (Postcode 4152)

3/09/07
Well here is an update for anyone who is still watching this page. I almost suspect not given contributions have died completely. There will be a community forum at 7pm at Pine Mountain Gold Club on 18th September where the council will put on show, explain and seek feedback on their current plans re the Scrub Rd Extension. This meeting is to be professionally facilitated from what I can gather with managed question time at the end of the presentation. The council intends sending out a newsletter next week even though we have all just received one from Cr Schrinner. Further the council intends to put some ads in the community newspaper next week also. This meeting is early the week after next so get it in your diaries now and tell anyone and everyone to turn up no matter what your position is as this is an opportunity to have input and consultation. The notice period by the time people get some form of news on this next week will leave people little time to plan to attend. There is to be a community survey done in due course. We want to know who will be included in the survey as thus far it has been indicated that not all carindale residents will get a survey and there has been no timing announced around the survey. There have apparently been a number of changes to the design of various roadworks including I believe traffic lights to replace the roundabout at Scrub Rd and Pine Mountain Rd which will provide some relief from hoons and allow breaks in traffic to let people out of their driveways and estates. But more is needed. Why don't the council fully devleop the old power line easement with a two lane 40kph local road to connect Oakley, Cribb and Amersham etc to given more residents more than one access point if one ongoing issue is emergency access. Anyway, get involved, let's get some intelligent and collaborative discussion going and get this resolved to everyones satisfaction where the actual majority of carindale residents can live with the entirety of all this development not just consider aspects of any one project in isolation from the other. Again I have been an avid contributor to this debate more recently than others and I continue to be completely transparent in displaying my full name as an actual resident whose back fence is on Scrub Rd. I look forward to robust discussion yet again but also hopefully some detail from the council, and understanding from all parties where each might compromise to see everyones concerns dealt with where everyone gets what they want finally. All I want personally for the record is sustainable development. If it takes this long to get a road how long does it take to get it fixed or changed if something is not right when it is built. Remember Pine Mountain Golf Club 7pm 18/9/07.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

8/07/07
In response to Steve's "surprise" that Michael Caltabiano assisted with the re-establishment of the Carindale Progress Association to fight to stop the Scrub Road and Wecker Road extension I suggest you speak with Michael to clarify. However I can only say what I observed from discussion with him at the time and from going to all the meetings at the Carindale Golf Club which were also organised at the time and I stand by my observations. I am not in any way associated with the "Greenies" as you put it I am a family man who has concerns with his childrens safety getting on and off the school bus everyday in Scrub Road and the loss of amenity such as going to the park without crossing a major road. Why can't the road be made to serve the purpose it is being promoted for and that is for local people to have better access. Again I say why can't our local member work to protect his constituents by insisting this happens ensuring the road is built as a minor road 50 k's per hour and not built to take truck traffic for the Wecker Road industrial estate. I just don't see this as being too hard. Or is the big sell just that. I await a real reply to this not some paid party political response.
Trevor (Postcode 4152)

5/07/07
As a Carindale resident for more than 15 years, I was very surprised to read the information in Trevor Anderson's post. I am unsure where he has obtained his information, because there are some inaccuracies in what he has claimed. I think it is important for people to know the true history of this project. The claim that Michael Caltabiano assisted the Carindale Progress Association in trying to stop the Scrub Road Extension is clearly not correct. When he was the local Councillor, Michael Caltabiano ALWAYS supported the proposed Scrub Road Extension. In fact, one of his key commitments at the 2004 election was to build the road. Voters supported both Michael Caltabiano and Liberal Lord Mayor Campbell Newman, knowing that they wanted to put the road on the agenda. This commitment was also made again in the 2005 by-election when Adrian Schrinner was elected with more than 60% of the vote to replace Caltabiano. In the past, the Soorley Labor Administration also agreed that the connection was needed, but despite promises to make it a priority, they didn't ever allocate any funding. It seems that this is not a party political issue because both parties in Council agree that the connection is needed. The main opponents of this project seem to be the "greenies" in Bulimba Creek Catchment Group and their puppets in MECA. As a long-term Carindale resident, it has been my experience that these type of groups oppose virtually everything that happens in the area regardless of its merits.
Steve (Postcode 4152)

3/07/07
A number of years ago my neighbours restarted the Carindale Progress Association with the help of Michael Caltabiano with the sole purpose of stopping the Scrub Road extension going through and especially to stop the Wecker Road extension over the Gateway. After many public meetings the then Lord Mayor Jim Sorley agreed to scrap the Wecker Road extension and take it off the Local Area Plan but would not yield on the Scrub road extension as it was to be a local access point for residents which would be many years away and would never be 4 lanes (a similar story to what is being told now). I have no objections to the road going through as an acess point for local traffic. However this is highly unlikely to occur as once built it will become a major rat run by non Carindale residents to possibly save some time and avoid some traffic lights. A further major concern is the heavy traffic that will use this route to access the Wecker Road industrial area. Scrub Road is over capacity now in peak times and access for local residents will reduce not improve with this extension as the net traffic in will exceed the traffic outflow by locals. Where else in Brisbane is there an area of 1.5klm wide which will have 14 (or 16) lanes of parallel roadway (Gateway 8 lanes, Scrub 2 (or 4) and Creek Road 4. Carindale is already cut into pieces by major roads this extension should be 2 lanes with no ability to increase to 4 lanes, should be restricted to maximum 50 klms per hour and have a weight restriction unless on local deliveries.
Trevor Anderson (Postcode 4152)

25/06/07
It's wonderful news, the Council has finally agreed to allocate $1 million for upgrades for the local schools in Mansfield, Mansfield State and Mansfield High and COC. Congratuations to those who worked tirelessly to reach this outcome. I can only hope that now Cr Schrinner will stand by his words and listen to the residents of Carindale who are concerned with the proposed Scrub Road Extension. When can we expect the next community consultation?
Diane Burns (Postcode 4152)

20/06/07
Quote"if residents want council to build this connection we will build it, if not we will be guidrd by the community"shouldn't the latter part of this statement be if not we won't build it.while it is appreciated that council are now taking on board the views of the vocal majority instead of the imaginery silent majority the statement from councillor Schrinner seemed to say if the community don't want it we will still build it anyway we will just wait till things calm down a bit,as for the traffic calming around schools that is to be commended and the upgrades to the roundabouts but these are long overdue capital works that needed to be done anyway irrespective of wether a road goes through or not, there is also traffic calming required to the road in its present form to stop the boy racers terrorising the neighbourhood after 9.30pm if these calming measures were put in place then maybe residents would have less objection to the project,last saturday night my wife and I were on our way out when we turned right at the cribb/scrub road round about we were about a metre into scrub road when someone overtook us on the inside at about 100ks after flying across the cicle this is not an isolated incident either and the only way to stop this kind of thing happening is to narrow the road in certain spots or put speed bumps at roundabouts please do a proper study of what residents wants and needs are then maybe in the future we could have connection that all residents can live with and benefit from.
Ian (Postcode 4152)

20/06/07
Attention Councillor Schrinner. Recent Council announcements have demonstrated that you and the mayor are listening to the whole community and that you will both actively keep on these issues until they are finally and formally resolved.....which is great as all of us have lived with this in one shape or another for many years. However, I have some questions which if you could answer in this forum would be greatly appreciated: 1. Civic Cabinet voted to defer the Scrub Rd Connection and that further feasibility studies into other options would be done? Please comment on whether the clear instructions of Civic Cabinet will be acted on. Further Civic Cabinet deferred this extension subject to community consultation post these studies. Please comment. 2. Great news for people who school their children at Mansfield no matter where they live with some LONG overdue funding for safety and traffic improvements in the school zones...public and private (COC). What I would like to know as a parent with kids at Belmont School is what re-engineering of the traffic management, and pick up zones has been approved for Belmont and when is that work to be done? Further surely this work should also be completed prior to the connection of scrub rd just like the other schools. 3. The work on joining Greendale Way will not come to completion until 2009? Why so long? I have also heard that it is going to cost around $8m in total? Can you explain the components of this project which make this so expensive as I am no engineer but this seems like a lot of money for a road which is less than 1km long? 4. Your most recent announcements indicated an upgrade to the intersection of Wecker and Ham Rds. What does this entail in detail? 5. You also mentioned safety improvements to the roundabout at Scrub and Cribb Rds? What exactly does this mean? Many would consider it unsafe now given the speed of some traffic on Scrub Rd who simply pick the racing line like a V8 Supercar driver and don't slow down.... 6.Regarding the council's traffic modelling???? What actual traffic management data has been obtained and is it for public analysis? This similarly goes for the traffic modelling?? How can the public obtain a copy of same so it can be analysed and scrutinised to see what the basis of many of the council's assumptions and also therefore public benefit statement made by council. 7. Your most recent flyer again clearly states that the connection of scrub rd will only be two lanes.....that has never been in dispute. What we want from council is an iron clad guarantee that the four lane rd reserve will never be used where two lanes becomes four given the council and yourself have quite clearly made statements about the value of north south rds like Creek Rd......Can I suggest that Scrub rd get some attention and fix ups that are long overdue and some of this road reserve be returned to gardens and improvements to walking or bike access for Carindale.....Perhaps improve some of the turn-ins such as that into Ewer St which is fatally floored in design and visibility....and mentioned in a recent entry on this site. 8. It is my understanding that the connection design includes and underpass or pipes for wildlife access, but what is to be put in place is not the preferred or recommended diameter whereby wildlife will actually use it...... Anyway, I look forward to your answers being posted one way or another and congrats for at least staying engaged on this issue and being committed to it being resolved once and for all and ultimately by the majority of the community affected by this......
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

18/06/07
I thought readers would be interested in an update on the latest news regarding the proposed Extension. Lord Mayor Campbell Newman and I recently announced a three-point plan, which maps out a way forward for the Scrub Road Extension Project. The plan is based on resident feedback and seeks to address the concerns raised by some sectors of the community: 1. $1 million for School Safety Upgrades Investing $1 million on safety upgrades outside Christian Outreach College, Mansfield Primary and Mansfield High PRIOR to any work commencing on the Scrub Road Extension. 2. Completing Greendale Way Investing additional funds to ensure that the Greendale Way Connection Project is completed as soon as possible (estimated early 2008). This project will improve the local road network by giving Carindale residents a long overdue east-west connection, by linking Scrub Road with Mt Petrie Road. 3. Community Consultation Conducting further community engagement and consultation, including a community survey, across both Mansfield and Carindale to determine the future of the Scrub Road Extension Project. This will be done in a fair, open and accountable manner. I have been listening to residents and gathering feedback on this project for many months, and this three-point plan is aimed at putting the future of the project in the community’s hands. While I have always believed that the majority of residents support this project, I am happy to be proven wrong. The consultation process should provide a clear picture of community views, by giving every local resident a chance to have a say. The process is straight-forward – if residents want Council to build this connection we will build it, if not we will be guided by the community. This three-point plan is all about working with the community (rather than against them) to deliver the best possible result in the end. Finally, I wish to agree with the comments recently posted by the host (Carindale Connect) regarding unnecessary personal comments. I understand that this issue generates strong views, both for and against, but there is nothing to be gained from personal attacks. Let’s have some healthy debate, but make sure we remain good friends and neighbours when it’s all over!
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode 4152)

16/06/07
To see this site being used as a community debate and info forum is great as it puts both views forward when people play the ball not the man.....congrats to those who want the road who recognise this and simply argue their case passionately as those who don't want this will do. There seems to be continuing concern around whether this road will be four lanes. The council says that it will only be two lanes.....but the reserve for this road provisions for four lanes. The concern many has is not just the opening of this corridor for immediate concerns such as traffic etc but the future....four lanes. It is the old saying build it and they will come. The council needs to put a guarantee in writing of never ever four lanes...not just while we have the dynamic duo of Newman and Schrinner patting each other on the back. Mayor Newman in today's Courier Mail whinges about Labor tactics in response to his budget in that decisions in civic cabinet should be abided by. Well civic cabinet put a pause on the extension of Scrub Rd...nothing else....but Newman and Schrinner seem to be indicating that it is full steam ahead. So is civic cabinet running the show by means of a majority show of hands or is it simply the edicts of Can Do Campbell. Anyway at least their seems to be the beginnings of some consultation and mediation to alleviate resident concerns not just pander to a noisy few who like to believe they have a majority vote which has never been tested. Unfortunately they have become rent-a-crowd for the interests of developers and COC even if we do understand some of their concerns. Greendale Way is underway so that will give them one more Rd out and bring some traffic in....so let's see how that goes first. And even if there is a bit more traffic from that it will most probably be managable to some degree and at least connect what is another area of Carindale in the Hills where in fact we used to live. I just hope that some green space is left for all to enjoy as the developers will be salivating over the opporunities that this will bring. Apparently Clem Jones ex mayor of Bris holds land in that area. We hope Clem continues some of his other commnity minded work when this area is developed. Anyway, keep the debate open and flowing.....talk to your neighbours...for or against....simply get this squarely on the agenda so the true majority ultimately have a say.
Heather (Postcode 4152)

16/06/07
Dear Councillor. My wife wrote to you recently with our concerns over this extension and over the past couple of days we received a letter from you updating us on this project. I am at a loss how you can make a statement to say that traffic on Scrub road will reduce as result of this extension? I am also very concerned that your methods shy away from open public consultation. You intend to send a survey to gain the feedback from the people of Carindale – this technique is destined to be a disaster and can be rigged – yes rigged. If you believe in democracy hold an open public consultation and have a show of hands with local newspapers present to publish the result. Our story for what its worth I will keep brief…Full letter.

16/06/07
The Scrub road extension appears to make good sense but i have two concerns. Rumours have it that it will be a four lane extension, is this correct ? If it is correct, whats stopping the council extending the four lanes to Old Cleveland Rd. Hey, then the could have a equivalent of Creek road right through the middle of Carindale. Secondaly, are we now going have trucks and other traffic using it as a shortcut to get the Gateway ? If so, then all Carindale residents should be concerned. What is council going to do to ensure this does not occur?
Kevin (Postcode 4152)

14/06/07
hey bill if council decided to put a road through your back garden do you think your house would increase in value, as for greendale way it leads to nowhere it only provides access to civilisation for its residents it will bring very little extra traffic to the area,scrub rd will be a mini ring road for residents of many surrounding suburbs as for jumping on the emergency services bandwagon we all know that police, ambulance and fire will force away through in a real emergency(there is the private road through the coc for them to se in an emergency} and what if all roads were blocked including the new extension what then build another road please everyone stop the scare tactics and come up with a good reason for this road other than this and a quicker route to bunnigs.
Ian (Postcode 4152)

14/06/07
I've been reading the SE Advertiser for several weeks as well as comments posted on this site, and it had me thinking that not only people living on and around Scrub Road would suffer from increased traffic, but also those living in the surrounding areas within Carindale would feel the rippling affects of the proposed extension. I live near Winstanley Street and use this road quite regularly to access both Creek and Scrub Roads. My concerns are that should Scrub Road be connected to Wecker it would provide a clear link and possible trimming of time for those in the Mansfield area wishing to shop at the Carindale Centre as well as accessing the Northern end of Creek Road and the Gateway. I really find it difficult to believe that this proposed project would reduce the traffic volume on Scrub Road. Of course it will service those who feel the necessity to use it, but eventually it will be accessed by those for convenience sake. I've lived in Carindale for 27 years and have witnessed the growth and changes to this area. Most people would agree that its our greenspace and close proximity to shops and public transport that's attracted people to this area. Lets not turn Carindale into a major traffic grid - keep the traffic out of the suburb and attend to roads that are in desperate need of upgrading.
Joseph (Postcode 4152)

14/06/07
After reading the South East Advertiser and the latest flyer from councillor Schrinner last night I am pleased to see that the council appears to be at least commencing listening to the concerns of residents who don't have children at COC or would not use this Rd. Expenditure to improve long neglected school zones should have been done anyway and not been used as political leverage. Yes and of course these should be done prior to this road being connected. Congrats to Darren Lee and company at Mansfield Primary P&C for keeping the council honest. The recognition of the wildlife corridor is important but the council is doing the bare minimum and not taking advice from B4C about what actually works. We have never received an ironclad and absolute guarantee that Scrub Rd won't become four lanes....Ever...not just now. More traffic calming is good news but again what is announced does not go far enough. The upgrade to Ham and Wecker Rds including the upgrade to the COC facilities is recognition of the increased traffic, and panders to those who have some influence over key players in this debate. The Councillor keeps talking about traffic modelling but never produces or provides copies of the data for analysis. The councillors past and present have never properly consulted on these projects and are still not doing so. Recent pressure has made them act but why didn't they take a more collaborative approach in the first place. The news that there will be more consultation is great and a survey is a reasonable idea but only if the people get sufficient information and input first. It is interesting to note that per the paper that Civic Council ordered a halt to work and studies to be done but the mayors latest budget and our councillors latest flyer intimates that this is going ahead regardless. That is not is not a consultative process......
Heather (Postcode 4152)

13/06/07
This discussion is certainly interesting, and there is certainly a small group of very vocal opponents to the road. Others who support it may not have helped their cause by their berevity. Scrubb Rd and Greendale Way are projects that the local councilor has lobbied strongly for since I moved into the area in 1999. At the last council election, they were key policy issues. There was much praise several years ago when the council budget finally allocated money to fund the design and implementation of these most important links. How important is this link? There are well over 1000 homes that can only be accessed via Pine Mountain Rd and Scrub Rd (most through the Roundabout). If either road is blocked, all of these residents can not exit the area. More importantly, emergency services can't access it either. These two roads will finally allow alternative access routes out of Carindale into other areas. This will mean emergency services can also respond faster, providing us with better services. As a former firefighter, this is a really good thing to be considering. For the family intending to move out, waiting for the road to be built may be of an advantage to you. Certainly the home prices in Carindale Hills jumped when the Greendale Way extension was announced by council. Please bring on these two roads. They will finally provide the access to the area that is desparately needed.
Bill (Postcode 4152)

13/06/07
Sara and Nick, you obviously don't like living in a democracy. You talk about communal space being polluted...only if it doesn't support your position on the road I guess. You like all of us are afforded the right of reply. I have used mine and in turn you have put your five cents worth in. This is affectively an online forum for debate....and most people who don't want the road encourage debate. Both of your latests efforts offer nothing to the debate. Attacking me means nothing and will not see me go away....it simply galvanises my resolve even further. Attacking MECA is ill directed as most people opposing this road are not MECA members....it is just easier to target a group.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

13/07/06
We have received some posts to this forum which we deem as unnaceptable for constructive community discussion. Let's refrain from any personal attacks and keep this a safe place to discuss the issues that are of concern to the community. Back and forth discussion of the issues (for/against/indifferent) is really important and people should always feel welcome to contribute and express their view.
Carindale Connect (Postcode 4152)

12/06/07
I have read through most of the comments on this site and it seems the ones that don't want this extension are puting their comments forward with much more eloquence and factual arguments than the wants {will MECA go away please} whats that all about, I am personally against this road and am selling up soon simply because of this. When my family were looking to buy in to this area five years ago, the first thing we asked about was when will the scrub road be extended we were told the project had been shelved. Cllr Schrinner's comments on the traffic decreasing at the southern end can only be laughed at, anyone with a miniscule amount of brain cells can work out that if you connect one rosd to another road it will bring more traffic.The issue of property values I notice has been avoided by everyone maybe because the don't wants feel it may make them look selfish and maybe because the wants live far enough away (or they think they do) that it won't be an issue if/when they come to sell; we all get the echo of the gateway at night time this will happen from scrub road as well.Cllr shrinner also made the comment that that C.O.C were pushing for the extension to go ahead because they feared for the saftey of the students if this is so why have the boom gates up there been open 24/7 for at least the last three months,simple solution to the problem shut the gate,far cheaper than the reported 2.2 million they are likley to get for the corridor of land. my opinion anyway is this road serves no other purpose than to help future developers access the southern part of carindale for new shoppping complexes and townhouse developments, when these other projects are completed that in itself will bring massive amouts of extra traffic which may prompt future councils to make it into a dual carrigeway.
Ian (Postcode 4152)

12/06/07
Please, I beg you - don't torture us with any more more long ranting posts from Cameron Crawford! There should be a rule of one post per person to ensure that the likes Cameron don't pollute the communal space with their self-important dribble.
Sara (Postcode: 4152)

12/06/07
Will MECA go away please? Scrub Rd and Greendale way have been long overdue projects that the council should have built many years ago. These important connections will finally allow residents a road other than Pine Mountain & Scrub Rd (North) to exit the suburb.
Nick (Postcode 4152)

12/06/07
Scrub Road Proposal - Effects on the Environment (PDF)
Document provided by Wayne Cameron (Bulimba Creek Catchment Coordinating Committee)

11/06/07
My son has recently done a Geography assignment on Carindale. All I can say is "WHAT A LOST OPPORTUNITY!". Over the 30 years the BCC has allowed developers one by one moonscape estates to build treeless barren plots of dirt for us selfish individuals to set up a house. In 30 years we should have a beautiful suburb full of flora and fauna with open and sparse places for our children. Thank God Bulimba Creek is there otherwise that parkland wouldn't exist either. So now what's next on the agenda. Let fill the air in Carindale with more car fumes, more noise, more chance of accidents and less beauty. I back onto Scrubb Road and I tell you that the amount of black pollution that collects on the trees is amazing. And the noise from absolute wankers riding their motor bikes at full speed or the car hoons that love to crank it up. Councillor Skinner - stuff the people who want to save that extra few minutes a day. How about the people who want to just live and enjoy living. Isn't that what having a home is all about. I stop people who walk across the "Don't walk sign" and ask them what do they do with that extra 2 minutes in their day. It must really be important. Well Councillor Skinner - what will the people do with that few minutes they will save. Is it worth the bushland destruction, extra noise, more pollution, extra risks to people's health?
Dan (Postcode 4152)

6/06/07
Good to hear again that the flyer was of equal value to people who do want this road.....the more people that get involved the closer we are to some form of community show of hands to either cancel or proceed with this road....or god forbid get some compromises around traffic management. The minority who live in the southern end of Scrub Rd also previously known as Mansfield North want to paint a picture that this is a one way road and that people won't use it as a rat run in either direction therefore affecting the residents at the northern end of Scrub Rd. As for the comments about the concern about one access rd that in most areas of Carindale is a ridiculous statement anyway as most pockets of carindale have one road in and one out. So even if the road is linked what happens if there is a serious incident on Cribb St East, Ewer St, Oakley St.....you won't even make it to the "proposed" extension..... Many residents in Mansfield don't want the additional traffic around their homes or school either but I guess their concerns don't matter either as long as you can do whatever you want to do..... I love this quote from the pro road crowd which sums up their consultative approach:- "I would suggest that if the "concerned residents" of MECA do not like the road, then they should choose not to use it when it is built. That should alleviate some of the increased traffic volumes they are concerned about." The was no road,and there is still no road.....it is not a matter of "When" Jane but a matter of "If".....
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

5/06/07
I received another flyer in my letterbox from MECA (Mansfield Environment and Community Association) with selective "facts" and "expectations" about why they oppose the scrub road extension. Thankyou for providing the contact details so I may contact the people listed in SUPPORT of the road. It is interesting to note that the main concerns are related to scrub road being turned into 4 lanes and increased road traffic. The scrub road section between Pine Mountain Road (Golf Course Roundabout) and the current end (Christian Outreach College) has no driveways to any house. It is used as an access road to approx 500 houses and if that road is blocked for any reason, it means no alternate access to any resident. (this includes emergency vehicles) The road will be built on cleared bushland thanks to the removal of the powerlines. I would suggest that if the "concerned residents" of MECA do not like the road, then they should choose not to use it when it is built. That should alleviate some of the increased traffic volumes they are concerned about.
Jane (Postcode 4152)

5/06/07
Thanks Peter, I can only presume you got the recent flyer that was distributed. The fact that you can use the contacts in the flyer is fantastic news given the council's performance on this matter has been sub standard. We keep hearing about the silent majority. All we ask is that be tested. So far whenever it has been tested the silent majority don't want this road. This fact has been much to the annoyance of those who want this road and arrogantly thought they had this in the bag and didn't feel they need to properly engage residents or compromise in any way. The simple truth is that the numbers of people who don't want this road are substantial and simply getting organised and mobilised......as equally have the vocal supporters of this road have been. There were many things stated to many people over the last ten years when they purchased....most of us don't dispute that but much has happened in this area and around Brisbane so plans from ten years ago still not executed should be reviewed. Perhaps post consultation you still might get you road but we all might get one that has traffic calming, traffic lights and a guarantee that we can NEVER get four lanes.....and that we aren't going to be just another Gateway Bypass when there is an accident or whilst the Gateway upgrade takes place.... I cannot see that those who want this would not want the same safety net in place. When many people bought in the southern end of Carindale it was actually zoned as Mansfield but it was rezoned by Council supported by our illustrious last councillor. I can only presume that the rezoning was more to do with property values and sales given the name Carindale was listed. Perhaps one answer is to rezone the very southern end back to Mansfield put a link to Mansfield and all points south and disconnect it from Scrub Rd further North. That will give people the Southern Rd and keep the traffic out of the Northern end........now I'm sure that statement has left a few people having convulsions as I state this in jest. I know this is equally not the answer but if people who want this Rd feel the need to railroad everyone else then we will get nowhere with no compromise..... The Rd was only ever proposed.....and still is otherwise it would actually be there. If you bought knowing this then continue to accept your lot in life just like you ask those who knew of the proposal to do..... What you were told by the person who sold you your home as opposed to the other end of the Rd ten years earlier are two different matters. So the matter still stands....when does the consultation process truly start where some sensible answers come out of it where everyone can live with the outcomes. I empathise with Peter's and others concerns but if you want to persist in railroading people and relying on alignment with the local councillor to achieve your objectives then you have all misjudged the mood in greater carindale not just a pocket. And for "SB" who contributed before me there are many people who belong to the "NO Scrub Rd Ext" faction who actually have children schooling in Mansfield or business interests over there but do not want to risk their community in Carindale. There are also many people in Mansfield who live on these feeder Rds who don't want more traffic.....but hey we would expect you to listen to their concerns because that is their backyard not yours. Great to see this is getting some momentum as this is the only way it will get resolved once and for all. For those who say NO and want to donate a little time and get a little more involved email MECA simply as a central point for you to connect to other residents and get information....you don't have to join anything.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

4/06/07
I fully support the extension and it is well overdue. When we moved to the area 3 years ago we were aware of the plans. We badly need another exit to the estate and quicker access to the Southern Suburbs.
Peter (Postcode 4152)

4/06/07
I am TOTALLY in support of this proposal and it cannot happen soon enough. I agree with MECA that people should regularly contact the council office bearers and others on this proposal. I thank them for providing all of the relevant contact details. It is time that others of the silent majory also stood up to be counted and I urge all other supporters to do so by contacting the people listed by MECA to express their support. It is time that the speed bumps in the highway of progress, ie MECA, got a bit of their own back and submitted to the wishes of the majority and that the benefits to the community as a whole were considered not just the selfish interests of a few. I bought in the area knowing full well that the road would be extended in the near future and it was a positive prospect not a negative one. I suggest that the people who claim no knowledge of the proposal were not listening when they purchased their property.
Peter (Postcode 4152)

30/05/07
Well, I have had a crack in the local paper so I might as well have a crack here also. It is refreshing to see the debate no matter the sides or the views or agendas. The bottomline is that the Scrub Rd extension is only one project in a string of projects that need to be considered in their entirety....this is all about proper planning now to get it right going forward. The council has continually failed thus far leaving us all where we are now. The pitiful consultation that has been attempted thus far is limited to some flyers, and maybe some articles in the local paper in reality. If Councillor Schrinner wants to put this to bed once and for all hold some community meetings in the six or eight key areas or carindale affected by this, and take a vote. Or have some sessions at the local school hall, mark people off using the electoral roll and again let's see the numbers. If everyone is serious and playing with a straight bat on this let's see this put to a public vote, let's avoid stacking of the vote or staging by any group and let the numbers talk and the bullshit walk. Perhaps also listening to the concerns of some residents might see compromise where they change their position to support it....but don't expect it in the absence of any options. Today's latest contribution in the Advertiser from J Burn offers nothing but wants comment from "real" people. Mr Burn I am a real person, I really live on Scrub Rd, I really shop in Carindale, my kids really go to school in Carindale. It doesn't get any more real Mr Burn. I don't belong to B4C or MECA but appreciate their concerns and the good natured people who belong to those groups. If you don't know how to get involved then two suggestions....if you want this Rd contact Adrian Schrinner as he is managing that side, and if you don't want this Rd then contact MECA as they will suggest how you can get involved with them or individudally. I too have only become vocal in recent months and it is time more people stood up and stated their position.
Cameron Crawford (Postcode 4152)

28/05/07
Great and its way over due, since we moved to the area allmost 9 years ago we have been well aware of the pending extention. For families with Students at Mansfield SHS it provides a direct route. Why all the fuss? Its been planed for such a long time and I believe will initially reduce the traffic along Scrub near the Belmont SS. My Question is really why has the Council taken so long to complete this essential link, especially with the amount of housing growth that has occured in the upper Scrub Rd area over the last since we have been here. Lets see it completed by xmas, 2007!
SB(Postcode 4152)

17/05/07
After reading Peta Day's comments, I felt compelled to respond. While Peta is entitled to her views, I think she loses all credibility when she starts claiming the Scrub Road Extension is akin to "environmental rape". Come on Peta, let's stick to the facts! Everyone knows the extension will travel along an old powerline easement that was cleared of trees at least 20 years ago. Comments like this don't do your cause any good - they only raise questions about credibility of your arguments.
Dean Short (Postcode 4152)

5/05/07
No Way
Gary Wilson (post code 4152)

4/05/07
I note that Diane Burns suggested that Scrub Road would carry an extra 6,000 vehicles following the construction of the extension. This is not true. Reliable Council modelling shows that the road will not increase traffic, but instead will it will simply redirect it by providing an alternative route. The extension (i.e. the new section) itself would carry 6,000 vehicles, but it is important to realise that the exisiting section of Scrub Road already carries much more than 6,000 trips per day (up to 8,000 or 9,000 trips per day). In other words, the new section (the extension) will actually carry considerably less traffic than the existing section of Scrub Road.
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode 4152)

25/04/07
I am totally against this extension. After speaking with a number of residence in Carindale its clear that it has no benefit to the majority. Yes, I accept there's a small number that would find this extension advantageous, however is it to be at the expense of our environment, lifestyle and our children attending local schools? 6,000 additional cars will be travelling along Scrub Road. What happens with Greendale Way connection is completed? We will have rat runners coming from both directions. Who will be the real winners? Christian Outreach Centre, goes without saying, the developer and his consultant and a small group from Carindale. Stop now, and conduct further community meetings; look at alternative road options!
Diane Burns (Postcode 4152)

22/04/07
There has been a distinct lack of adequate community engagement with residents who will be condemned to suffer the increased traffic volumes of the Scrub Road Carindale extension to Wecker Road. The road extension has been an urban legend for years but suddenly the project is on the boil and the awareness of this project, let alone knowledge about the merits and impacts of the road extension is extremely low. The councillor for Carindale Ward believes that sufficient community engagement has occurred, and cites infrequent articles in Quest Newspapers, the odd poorly promoted meeting, and an ineffective newsletter drop (November 2006) as evidence of engagement. This does not constitute adequate community engagement in my book. Recent community meetings, arranged and chaired by local community groups such as Bulimba Creek Catchment Coordinating Committee and Mansfield Environment and Community Association, have clearly demonstrated that the majority of local residents impacted by the road don't agree with the development in its proposed form. The beneficiaries of the road extension appear to be in the minority and the impact on the local Mansfield community in terms of increased traffic volume, poorly managed traffic flow and the environmental rape of a dwindling green corridor outweighs the benefits to the few. Local residents have a right to be heard. Let’s see community engagement properly in action with more community forums that present options and alternatives and allow residents to participate in decision-making about how Brisbane should look. Come on Councillors Schrinner and Rea - where and when will these meetings be held?
Peta Day (Postcode 4122)

29/03/07
The extension of Scrub Rd has been planned since 1993. It could not be said that local residents have not had enough time or notificaiton that the extension was going ahead. I am looking forward to a reduction in traffic in the surrounding streets. Oakley street for instance, is the only road into this estate. With a second access at the top of Aspen Street, this will help to slow the traffic down, as well as reduce the number of cars on Oakley which often resembles a racetrack! I can understand that the residents whose houses currently back onto the COC are concerned about the backdrop - but the road has always been on every UBD - they must have known the road was coming! Maybe with a thoroughfare instead of a no through road - we will get rid of the hoons who spend Saturday nights using Scrub road as a drag strip.
Andrew (Postcode 4152)

26/03/07
I commend Carindale Connect for promoting discussion and debate about the proposed Scrub Road Extension project. Residents wishing to find out more information about this project are welcome to visit my website: www.adrianschrinner.com Responses to a number of the issues and questions that have been raised to date are included in the newsroom under the heading "Scrub Road Extension Project Q&A".
Cr Adrian Schrinner (Postcode 4152)

25/03/07
I attended the meeting organised by the Bulimba Creek Catchment Committee (B4C) held at the Oakley Street parklands on 25th March 07. It was a good opportunity to hear both sides of the story and thankyou to both councillors (Adrian Schrinner and Kerry Rea) for attending and sharing their thoughts on the extension. To comment on the main points raised by the B4C which was provided in their handouts. 1. A disorderly planning process To my knowledge and research, this extension has been planned since 1993 and voted in favour by both Adrian Schrinner and Kerry Rea. The extension is 10 years overdue, not advanced 5 years. The people most affected by this extension want it done now. 2. Environmental Impact There is always impact when a new road is built. Everyone recognises this. The plan to utilise the power line route reduces this significantly and allows minimum impact to the environment with maximum benefit to ratepayers via increased access to wecker road. Fauna access should be considered as being incorporated into the extension plan as highlighted by the independent assessor. 3. Connecting Road Impact The increase in traffic cannot be denied, this is why the road is needed. It will change the number of cars utilising different parts of scrub road and increase car volumes into wecker road. This is the exact reason the road is needed, to allow this increase in traffic volume. There was a need established to ensure the safety was maintained from this increased volume particularly in school areas. Further council consultation should address these issues in conjunction with the road opening. 4. Development Opportunity It was generally agreed that development opportunity was not a reason or factor for the road. The road will assist the Christian Outreach College in reduction of through traffic and allow a more orderly traffic flow. This issue seems to have been raised by B4C as another means of promoting their organization without addressing the real issues. There were further issues that were not raised by the B4C. 1. Access to Residents At present, there is only one access road for residents past the intersection of Scrub and Cribb roads. A recent powerline issue blocked the access for all these residents which creates an inconvenience, and a dangerous situation if emergency vehicles are required. An extension of scrub road would allow 500 residences an alternate access point if required. 2. Previous commitments This extension has been promised by previous and current councilors. It has been public knowledge that it would be done by the residents that live near the extension for over 5 years. The points raised by the B4C seem to be more politically motivated than based on factual evidence of the affected ratepayers. In summary. I am a supporter of the road because it will free up the access to the silent majority who support the extension. I do support the issues raised in relation to connecting road impact and ensuring environmental impact is minimized. I would suggest that the council undertake their own survey of residents and the issues as it appears the B4C is more interested in counting the number of people who do not support the extension for any reason , rather than the local residents and ratepayers that will benefit from the extension. I am happy to discuss my thoughts with anyone on this matter; you may contact me via email on swin5201@bigpond.net.au.
Simon (Postcode 4152)

25/03/07
I object to any plan that will sooner or later lead to a 4-lane highway being built through Carindale along Scrub Road which must be a disastrous proposal to the residents of both Scrub and Wecker Roads. Before the BCC makes any extension to Scrub Road they have a duty to the residents of Carindale and Mansfield to establish their views on the matter. The BCC has indicated that around 2.5 thousand motorists illegally use COC as a short cut daily, this infers that at least 2.5 thousand people in the area would approve of the Scrub Road extension. How did the BCC arrive at this figure of 2.5 thousand and can it be verified? I notice that the Scrub Road extension appears to be implemented at the same time as a plan for a new shopping centre on Scrub Road (near the junction of Scrub and Pine Mountain roads) is also emerging, if one was cynical one might wonder if the Scrub Road extension could help expand the customer base for the Scrub Road shopping centre and provide a further incentive for its implementation.
M Miller (postcode 4152)

25/03/07
I think the extension will provide a valuable short cut for residents of both Carindale and Mansfield who currently have to travel a much further distance to reach the neighbouring suburb. It is important that the Council carry out this extension in order to keep up with the influx of people into the carindale/mansfield area as well as South-East Queensland in general. This extension wont only improve access for drivers but it will also allow for a better access to leisure activities with new bike & walking tracks being placed along the extended road. If the work isnt done now then it will impeed traffic flow in the area & as far as im concerned the work should have been carried out years ago but previous Council leaders havent prioritised this extension highly enough even though it is of major benefit to the area. I have recently been talking to a number of people from COC who are more than happy for the extension to go through the College's land in order to alleviate the current traffic problems as a result of people travelling through the property anyway, it will be much safer for staff and students of the College & this is another benefit to the community! I believe most of the people who are against the extension dont fully understand what is going on and i thank Councillor Schrinner for sending another update letter regarding the extension as it has helped me understand the project. Please just let the project roll on, it is much needed and long enough waited for!
Melissa (postcode 4152)

24/03/07
I am AGAINST the road extension. As a Wecker Rd resident for over 8 years, I have seen the traffic volume in Mansfield increase steadily. Roads and intersections are already at capacity. Trying to turn into main roads such as Ham, Wecker and Newnham is already a nightmare. Why on earth exacerbate the problem? It seems that two communities in Carindale and Mansfield will suffer just so drivers can save themselves a couple of minutes. The impact on my lifestyle (danger to my kids, increased noise, air pollution, loss of greenspace, increased traffic volume, decreased land value) is something Council doesn't care about. Just another example of Lord Mayor Newman's love affair with the car.
Peta Day (postcode 4122)

15/03/07
1 st. and foremost this extention has been proposed since 1992, 17 years ago, B.C.C. have voted funding for this project many times including Councillor Kerry Rea, how come this Councillor has suddenly backflipped saying the project needs more consultation, after 17 years in the works I for one firmly believe enough consultations, realignment of proposed road and delays have taken place,BUILD IT. I live on PINE MOUNTAIN ROAD and I have no vested interest in this extention, but after hearing of this extention on and off after 17 years enough is enough. If every proposed roadworks had this much delay, we would still be travelling on DIRT ROADS, would you!!!
John Demetrioff (postcode 4152)

15/03/07
Has anyone considered the traffic problem that already exists on Wecker Road? (The road where it all ends)? In the mornings it is a nightmare to get across - running the gammit so to speak, trucks backing into industrial businesses holding traffic up and in the mornings traffic resembling Turbot Street in the city? It is a scene to be witnessed as children run crossing the road, standing on median stips between trucks and cars that are unseen until they are over the crests? We have three schools in the area which I would imagine collectively would have around one thousand children on the road? I understand that industry must expand and traffic congestion must be addressed, however I ask whether this has to be done at the expense of the safety of our children. Further to this whether people have actually considered the increase in what is already fast becoming a high traffic area with business increasing in Mansfield as industry grows? Another issue which really concerns me is the noise. Living just off Wecker road, I write this listening to the dulcet tones of trucks, bikes and cars (even with at least 400m between me and Wecker road). I am not sure that the road itself will really benefit the residents of Carindale or Mansfield? Benifit or Loss to those of us that live in the area. I feel that ours will be the loss.
S. Edwards (postcode 4122)

14/03/07
Are they going ahead with it? I see a problem with everyone using it to bypass to the Gateway - what about the heavy vehicles? I thought it was going to be for local traffic only. Scrub Road is not designed for trucks and I imagine that all the trucks from the industrial area will use it. Wouldn't it be better to build an on/off ramp to the Gateway at the end of Wecker Road?
Phil Russell (postcode 4152)

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